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Post by eyeonu on Jan 2, 2007 22:16:42 GMT -5
Now it's hard for me to tell in a recent MVA picture that involved a garbage truck vs pass car and from one I saw in the PO or Gazette, it doesn't really look like "HEAVY ENTRAPMENT" ? And were those flesh toned, Nomex-Kevlar-Supeman gloves I saw the Officer-Toolman wearing?
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Post by blaze69 on Jan 3, 2007 7:04:25 GMT -5
IT'S Funny that you ask that question. ;D ;D I was at home listening to Chief 46 and he advised lower leg entrapment so just wondering where the heavy entrapment came from. Maybe someone from the BIGHOUSE can fill us in.
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Post by redseal on Jan 3, 2007 7:52:31 GMT -5
hey blaze69,
go too station 4's website and look at the pic's.
I see way heavy entrapment was stated.
have a great day.
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Post by blaze69 on Jan 3, 2007 8:55:51 GMT -5
Hey redseal go to hooked on phonics works for me.
I have seen the pictures but also heard Chief 46 state lower legs were trapped.
Bye Bye
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Post by 1246 on Jan 3, 2007 16:26:01 GMT -5
1. Chief 46 advised that they had lower extremity entrapment. Heavy entrapment was never mentioned on the radio that I was listening to. So sorry redseal no there was not heavy entrapment!!
2. The person running the tool was not an officer of Sta 4. He came POV and used the squad drivers gear and the chiefs helmet. As for the gloves ask the driver of the squad that night I'm sure he will fill you in!
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Post by Pres 18 on Jan 3, 2007 16:42:18 GMT -5
My question is Did the gloves stop them from gettin it done in the golden hour? If people would stop bustin everybodys nuts for doing something they think is wrong and step back and think of some of the things they have done not according to the book. then i guess we all would hang!!!!!!
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Post by eyeonu on Jan 3, 2007 21:56:32 GMT -5
Pres,
If we DON'T start addressing the issues today, we'll NEVER correct any of them and we'll continue to see sever injuries and worse, LODD'S !!! We used to wear long boots, short coats, fire ball gloves and only sissies wore SCBA during Salvage and Overhaul AND we drank all the time, even on calls !!!
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Post by HMWMDSpecialist on Jan 3, 2007 23:11:12 GMT -5
You all know that at one time or another we all have made compromises when doing this job. Yes in retrospect they may be wrong but that is why we call them compromises. It is a chance that we take to get the job done. We do not make them the basis for how we operate every time but some times you just have to bend it a bit to get the job done. What a department puts on their web site is their content and their choice. If you don't like the content call them on it or better yet just don't read it. There is no such thing as a gravitational force that makes you go to their site other than curiosity and interest. So when you go there it is by your own volition. Just like when people come here to read it is by their own volition. I or anyone else who run this site do not make you come here you come here on your own. What you take away from here is your interpretation of what you read. Weather you agree or disagree they are opinions and as long as they are in line with the rules you may counter the statement and that is your opinion.
That is all I have for now and yes it is my opinion.
Les
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Post by Pres 18 on Jan 4, 2007 12:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by MAYTAG on Jan 4, 2007 19:03:35 GMT -5
I don't see it has whining, totally.
My problem is that we all beat our chests about this "Everyone Goes Home" and we need to protect our own and make big talk, but when it comes down to taking action, like making people wear gloves, PPE, SCBA, responsible operation of vehicles, etc
IT's ALL BIG TALK !!!!!!
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Post by 28-23 to Hdqtrs... on Jan 5, 2007 1:12:55 GMT -5
I just have to chap up...
To me with the respect that i have for the other county depts., i would trust the guys from sta.4 with everything when it comes to extrication, no offense to the other depts. but i have seen sta.4 "doin' the deed" a few times. Not saying that the other depts. don't mess around when it comes to time on a scene, but i can see station 4 and the squad pullin up and getting s*** done and doin it right. The guys handle themselves very well when it comes to MVA'S. Every class i have ever taken, the instructor has always told us that there is a big diffrence from a classroom to the real world, meaning how it's taught and then hows it's preformed. This is just that case... sta.4 did what they had to do and worked with it... lets not bashit
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Post by MAYTAG on Jan 7, 2007 17:34:22 GMT -5
WOW, not one mention of what dept was involved and right away it turns into a pissing match that someone is bashing a fine dept.
No one EVER made mention of anything in a negative manner other than the difference between entrmt & confinment and the KEY issue, to me that is, is that someone was not wearing full PPE.
The problem I see is that people NEVER want to admit when they're wrong or made mistake. But if we don't identify the mistakes and more importantly we don't take actions to correct the mistakes, they will not only continue to happen, they will increase in both numbers and severity.
In this case, it would have taken mere seconds to either placed on a pair of gloves OR handed the tool to someone else that had gloves.
With the operating PSI's of todays systems, the energy of the tools and the amount of jagged/ sharp edges in these types of incidents, it only takes on small slip or error to end in a major injury and QUITE possibly one that could be career ending. And this does not even take into account the possible exposure to bodily fluids.
SO it's far more than bashing or being petty AND from what I read, never questioned the rescue abilities of ANY dept.
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Post by volunteerfireman on Jan 7, 2007 22:08:26 GMT -5
just to throw in my 2 cents... I think that whether or not it was 'heavy entrapment', gloves and all PPE should be utilized. We all spend money to buy fancy equipment, but we can never replace each other. So lets all be safe out there so we can continue to 'play'. Secondly, Franklin county needs to get rid of the entrapment vs. confinement. They are so closely related that it should all be called entrapment. I know that confinement is less serious and more often is just a door pop, but if the door isn't popped than isn't the victim trapped in the vehicle?
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Post by redseal on Jan 7, 2007 22:16:35 GMT -5
hey
blaze69 and 1246:
read ya'll email.
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Post by MAYTAG on Jul 26, 2007 21:14:53 GMT -5
Well, heard and saw it again recently and just had to jump back in.
The terms "entrapment" and "confinement" are as different as day and night.
Entrapment is when the PT is entrapped or entangled in the wreckage while confinement is the PT is confined inside the vehicle, so to me, with my experience, there is a world of difference.
It's all about padding numbers and making it sound cool!!!
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