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Post by Bill on Jan 8, 2006 11:02:38 GMT -5
"Ruffle anyone's feathers?" Not at all! "The EMT instructors made several comments pertaining to my post here about EMT's not being prepared for the field." You bet we did! "Deaf ears?" The students read your posts, the region and HACC read your posts. Hello Medic4life, You are always welcome at Marion on Tuesday and/or Thursday nights. I know you would enjoy meeting the other teaching staff and the students. Perhaps we can answer your questions, give you a little backround and have you join us. The invite is always open! |
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Post by medic4life on Jan 9, 2006 13:15:02 GMT -5
EMS18A:
From the "tone" of your reply and the comment that was made to me by one of your students I would suggest that someone's feathers were ruffled. If your invitation is to simply 'bash' someone for making an observation and a suggestion then I'm not interested.
As I stated before my intent was not to cause an issue. I only commented on a problem I observed and offered to help make it better. I did not nor am I saying that the education or curriculum is wrong. My issue is that I think it's a potential problem having students complete an EMT course without having patient contact. I just do not agree with that.
I will be in contact with the Federation and the faculty at HACC. Maybe there can be a more reasonable and sensible solution to this. Thank you for your input. Best of luck.
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Post by Bill on Jan 9, 2006 21:54:22 GMT -5
"Tone?" Kindly take my post at face value.
My intent was to extend a friendly invitation to another member of the EMS system. I believe I did that twice.
If I were going to "bash" someone, it would have been done long ago in this thread!
So, fell free to believe whatever you wish. But don't try to tell me what motivates me or what my intentions are.
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Post by OldDog on Jan 10, 2006 7:45:36 GMT -5
Last night I nearly sat down to defend my old friend Bill, but decided that he's a big boy and would certainly take care of himself.
Billl... Thanks for doing what you do!
I've known you long enough to know that you are not a man of "tones". You speak you mind and I respect that. If you were going to bash somebody they wouldn't have any questions about it.
You never let me down.
To medic4life,
Take Bill at face value. If he says your welcome at his classes to help and work within the system to make things better then you are certainly welcome.
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Post by Brian McCaffrey on Jan 10, 2006 9:18:04 GMT -5
I too have been wanting to reply to medic4life's comments, but was sitting back waiting to see what Bill had to say.
medic -- If you are referring to that rather lengthy reply posted a while back, that was an email passed along by Bill, not comments made by him. One thing I have learned in the last fifteen years around here, is that whether you love him or hate him, you will always know just where Bill stands. His invitation is an honest one, I can guarantee that.
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Post by medic4life on Jan 10, 2006 11:11:13 GMT -5
EMS18A:
I appreciate your reply and I will take your invitation at face value and will make an attempt to visit your class, as my schedule allows and if the invitation is still open. I have no idea what motivates you or what your intentions are, so I would certainly not attempt to tell you. My point when mentioning 'bashing' was if that was what I would walk into by visiting the class I really wasn't interested in doing that. Thank you for your candidness, I only wish that some of your students exercised the same. But that is not your responsibility.
olddog:
Thank you for your input as well. I appreciate your endorsement of EMS18A and your advice.
McCaffrey:
Thank you for pointing out the thread that was emailed to EMS18A. I did actually recognize that it was not from him, but from someone else. The issue was several comments coming back to me from the EMT students that didn't line up with what was being posted here. That's why I made my last post. EMS18A made his point, enough said. Thank you for your advice and input as well.
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Post by Bill on Jan 10, 2006 12:50:12 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
In the discipline which we know as pre-hospital emergency medical services, I believe that our first priority must be education. It is fundamental because it mainstreams responders into the system. What constitutes quality education seems to vary from individual perspective to perspective.
While I have not expressed an opinion up to this point relative to many of these issues, I must admit that some of the issues tend to intrigue and frustrate me. I am functioning in a system of education whose philosophical and/or educational methodology at times are cause for much critical thought, evaluation and reflection.
I believe that perhaps one of the most important goals in the education process is to insure that students receive correct and consistent information and constant reinforcement for material and skills presented and taught.
Lancaster's program of education removes may of the inherent variables in conducting a comprehensive program of education in which they are engaged, and I applaud these two entities for that. They have complete control over the environment the student will be placed in. This is a truly great accomplishment. Unfortunately, I will probably not find myself being involved as an educator in such an institution and/or environment.
OldDog is correct. Meaningful change is best effectuated from within the system. I don't make invites that are insincere.
Caff is also correct however it becomes more and more difficult at times to know where you stand in a system that keeps changing. I struggle with the same issues that Medic4life, OldDog and Caff do. Having said thus, I and my education colleagues attempt to continue with the process of EMS education, to give the best we can for our students within the many constraints (including time itself) that we find ourselves having to work through.
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Post by layincotton on Jan 16, 2006 14:35:19 GMT -5
I hate this. I really do. Bill offers an open invitation and the para-god thinks it just so he can be bashed. What kind of narcissistic(stand there and stare at your great self) insecure person are you. If you had taken the time to ask some of your esteemed peers about the man who extended the offer you would have found it to be exactly that a SINCERE OFFER.
With all of your knowledge and wisdom in this your field of expertise you would think you would have used some commonsense to get to the root of the issue. But you post snidely about how you think you are only going to be bashed and this information comes from EMT students from who's class bill or is it one of the other classes being run around here.
Riddle me this oh great one....I guess when you first hit the streets as a para-god you were the cats meow and had no weak areas in your delivery. yeah if that is so then you need to patent your mastered program approach so we can all benefit from it.
If you feel this is a slam then your feelings work and are correct.
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Post by ResTech on Jan 16, 2006 16:22:10 GMT -5
Everyone is frustrated with this issue. I agree with Medic4life and understand his angle on this. I never gotten the impression that M4L had a "para-god" complex at all during this discussion. Just a provider that was frustrated with the system and the way students were being rolled out. It sucks and thatz about the only way of putting it.
I was waiting for someone to turn a well presented topic and discussion on an important issue into a personal attack. They're is no need to make this personal and if you cant remain objective on the issue at hand then refrain from commenting.
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Post by medic4life on Jan 16, 2006 19:22:26 GMT -5
ResTech: Well put, thank you. LayinCotton: Not going to waste my time trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is lacking such. It would behoove you to take caution in who you 'slam'. Especially when you don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject, nor the person whom you are speaking to. Have a nice day. MEOW!!  |
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Post by layincotton on Jan 16, 2006 20:11:39 GMT -5
Listen up bandaid boys it is simple I have sat here an read your posts and felt they had merit but and you probably know what follows but.....if you do not here it goes.
Your first post said there is a problem with the EMT program in Franklin county. The course coordinators deliver the program that is set forth to them. It is not some congered up idea written on a drink coaster it is what the department of health perscribes. So if it does not meet your out of state transplanted ass oh well. But what you 2 fools aren't going to do is bash BILL LITTLE. Get my drift. If you have a problem with the program pack your la de da asses in your car and go to the department of health a register your complaint there.
Now if you do not want to respond to my post fine by me but I will be damned to sit here and listen to your whinning and complaining about BILL LITTLE and his teaching associates. It is not their fault.
I'd like to step out on a limb here for a second to float this by you. If you were out on the street as new paramedics can you tell me that you were ready for whatever came your way? Now be honest cause my magic 8 ball will tell me if you speak the truth. Well lets not wait the answer is emphatically "NO". you were not and based on the quality of some of you so called paramedic professionals I would beg to differ. I remember this one medic from waynesboro that when he hit the street it was well like damn hope we don't get anything bad while he is roaming the streets. well as murphy would have it we had a bad trauma and while going to the hospital the so finely educated and so well exposed to patients paramedic had to be walked thru an intubation by none other than BILL LITTLE because he was shaking so bad we thought he was going to preform a sigmoid colon exam instead of a et tube placement. So get off your high horses and back off the people who teach the program they as I said before are going by what they are given. Oh and while I'm on a roll here how about this M4L you said you had a call which required the use of a hare traction splint and the EMT's you had there said they were not tought this .Well once again that is bull. you know as well as I do this is part of everyones program. you should have taken it up with their respective service chief then and not now where you seem to find fault with the course coordinator.
Medic4Life:
It would behoove you to take caution in who you 'slam'. Especially when you don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject, nor the person whom you are speaking to.
Have a nice day.
I will say I have just as much and more than likely more knowledge on this subject than you and your transplanted from some greater place else will ever have. See the greatest thing here is you don't know me and I don't know you but on the other side of it I might be one of the people that works right beside you and you don't even know. So take this for what it is worth you got your opinion and I have mine so either get over it or get on with it. if you can't get over it well it is a short walk to the therapy group.
Have a great day! (and by the way MEOW was cute there light in the loafers..I don't hide my words P U S S Y )
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Post by Administrators on Jan 16, 2006 20:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by medic4life on Jan 16, 2006 21:34:00 GMT -5
LayinCotton:
Now why am I not surprised by your reply. Since you are so hell bent on trying to intimidate me allow me to educate you. First and foremost don't ever attempt to scare or intimidate me, because if your going to do that you better bring your lunch.
Not once did I or anyone else on this thread bash Bill Little or his associates. The issue is NOT with the academic aspect of the EMT class, it is a clinical issue. The Federation and the State WERE contacted about this issue and are looking into it. You see, I don't whine and complain, I actually follow up on these things. That's what your supposed to do.
I haven't stereotyped you with other EMT's so show me the same respect. I don't know what got you so pissed off, because what your complaining about never happened.
Do you happen to know what Libel is? You must not, because if you did you wouldn't post incriminating words such as 'fool', 'ass' and 'p u s s y'. Trust me, you can't afford it. But what you don't see is by the candor of your posts it's clear what kind of character you have, or lack there of. All your doing is making yourself look very foolish. This thread has been over for some time. We have all moved on... so it appears that you are the one who needs therapy.
Yes, when I graduated from Paramedic school.... in New York, I WAS ready because I had a balance of academic AND clinical experience. And I don't recall EVER posting that New York was any better than Pa. Did I make mistakes? You bet I did! Do I still make mistakes? You bet I do! Do you and every other human being on this planet make mistakes? That's one of the reasons why I am interested in helping make this county the best EMS system in the state. Why is that wrong? So instead of flaming people and calling us 'para-gods' (That's so old!) here why not help us out? Please stop posting your unneeded anger, it doesn't help.
By the way, it might look a little better for you if you either did a spell check before you post or check your grammar, it might look a little more professional. Just some free advice.
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Post by sexyemschic on Jan 16, 2006 23:16:51 GMT -5
Ok this started as a decent discussion, however once again people have taken things too far. I guess this one is going to get locked up if you guys don't learn to play nicely!!!! First of all, LayinCotton, ARE YOU AN EMT?? Have you ever been? If the answer is no, then keep your mouth shut!! I don't know Medic4Life, may never either, however I don't think that he was trying to bash Bill Little. There isn't a problem with EMT Class in the county, it started at the federation with some changes in the course over the last 5 or so years. I can honestly say that there were things in my class like hare traction as a "Ok this is hare traction, you'll never use/see it more than likely" and a quick demo with no hands on. No this wasn't Bill's class either. So it's not just one class or another, it's the whole program starting with the Federation and HACC, they design the main frames of the class. So I guess what I am trying to say won't sink into any of your hard heads, but at least consider acting like adults & be civilized & then just maybe something will get accomplished other than bashing everyone but yourself (not directed to any one person).
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Post by HMWMDSpecialist on Jan 17, 2006 0:27:02 GMT -5
I guess I am going to have to weigh in on this one.
First of all Medic4life calm down my man you just got your chain yanked. Are you going to let this get under your skin. My mistake it looks as if you have. You have a very good point about some pitfalls in the system and I applaud you on offering up your talents to help correct the short comings. Don't lower yourself to that level.
Second this is a message board and nothing more than an outlet for people to speak their opinions no matter what context. Don't buy into it and bite off on the bait. It looks as though someone wanted to get you fired up.
Why I do not know but let it roll we will all be better of in the end.
Lastly people lets keep this going in the right direction.
Les
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