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Post by FF4Bush on May 25, 2004 22:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by FF4Bush on May 27, 2004 14:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by FF4Bush on May 29, 2004 5:12:55 GMT -5
A Small Rally Is Being Scheduled For August 14. I am Looking For Any Firefighters That Support The President. Email Me... E-mail me and I'll get you more information. I understand that that there are those that don't vote for one reason or another. But this is being called one of (if not the most) important elections in a generation. We need to show that there are [glow=red,5,300]"Smokies"[/glow] and [glow=blue,5,100]"Bone Box Jockies"[/glow] that want President George W Bush back in the White House. Again, even if you have questions, contact me! Good Forum At The [shadow=red,left,100]FF For Bush [/shadow] Website! p209.ezboard.com/bfirefightersforbush |
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Post by Youngpup on Jun 2, 2004 10:30:18 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. You want me to support a president that :
1. Consistantly opposes the FIREACT.
2. Will not fund the SAFER act.
3. Changes the FLSA to eliminate overtime.
4. Proposed abolishing the deferred compensation plans.
5. Proposed contracting out fire protection on DoD installations.
6. Proposed taking away collective bargaining rights from firefighters and civilian employees at DoD installations.
7. Proposed cutting homeland security funding to first responders.
8. Proposed contracting out firefighting on our national forests to private companies.
How can I support a president that does this to our brothers and sisters? How can you? I'm not saying Kerry is any better, but I know Bush is NOT getting MY vote.
Youngpup
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Post by FF4Bush on Jun 2, 2004 17:13:13 GMT -5
OK, now the propaganda from the brothers really starts... Let's break it down: 1. The FIRE ACT is one piece in the puzzle. Although the President's Budget included a lower budget for this expenditure, the congress supplemented the money and the Fire/EMS actually have a bigger grant to apply for. 2. SAFER was signed into law (with the Presidents signature), Nov 23, 2003... 3. Defered Comp was increased and will continue to increase through 2006, a proposal from the Bush Administration... 4. The concept of contracting Fire Protection has been talked about long before the Bush administration check a letter to the Government Accounting Office (GAO), www.gao.gov/archive/1997/ns97200b.pdf5. Federal Workers Are Have The Right To Collective Bargaining...see my closing remarks. 6. Homeland Security Department was created by the Bush Administration. And the fact that the Fire/EMS was part of it was organized by the president. Now what each part of the Homeland Security Department gets, that's another debate for another time. But remember one thing, there is only so much money to go around. Closing, the IAFF has a job to look out for it's members, just as other unions do. But at times the amounts that each departments ask for for their budgets just doesn't fit into the equation. We have an budget that needs to be cut. And it will be as we start to look at turning Iraq over to a soveirgn governement. A number of departments wont get what they think they deserve. |
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Post by MAYTAG on Jun 14, 2004 12:12:32 GMT -5
You ask how can I vote for Bush ? It's an easy answer as the info just posted by FF4Bush. I think it speaks for itself.
And just FYI. Many Liberals think Bush was is the worst President to date because he got us into a war against a country that supposedly NEVER attacked us. Well let's do a little history on war and some undeniable facts;
1. During the month of 01/ 2004, there were 39 combat related deaths in Iraq. During the same month, there were 35 deaths in the city of Detroit !!!
2. FDR lead us into WW2 where we lost 450,000 livess. Germany never attacked us, Japan did !!
3. Truman ended WW2, but lead us into Korea where we lost 55,000 lives and N Korea never attacked us !!
4. JFK lead us into Vietnam where we lost 58,000 lives and N Vietnam never attacked us !!
5. Clinton lead us into Bosnia and Somalia, WITHOUT the support of the UN or French and neither of those countries attacked us !!
Now the same Liberals and Democrats have harped that the war has taken too long;
1. It took less time to take Iraq than it did Janet Reno to take the Branch Dividian compound !!
2. We've been looking for weapson of WMD in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the billing records of her Rose Law firm !!
3. It took less time for the 3rd ID & Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Senator Teddy Kennedy to call the police after he drove his car off the bridge at Chappaquidskin flute !!
VOTE FOR BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by vol4life on Jun 14, 2004 13:28:48 GMT -5
By God Tag you must have spent a little time in History class when you were is school! Oh wait did they have History when you went to school?!?!?!?!? ;D ;D
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Post by MAYTAG on Jun 14, 2004 14:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by Bill on Jun 14, 2004 17:40:17 GMT -5
Does anybody really think for one minute that Moammar Kadafi gave up his nuclear weapons program just to be nice?
He knew in no uncertain terms that he was the next two-bit piece of shit dictator on Bush's hit list and that he'd better make nice, nice before his ass ended up behind steel bars somewhere yet nowhere just like his buddy Sadam!
I'm with Tag!
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Post by FF4Bush on Jun 15, 2004 7:03:39 GMT -5
Great Points Bill and Bob,
The country (at least the left leaning ones), forgets that we are still at war. Just yesterday, a Somali national indicted on terror charges to blow up a mall in Ohio. That could have been Pa (and it could have been Franklin County). What's funny about the Somali part, is the way the Clinton Administration handled the Mogudishu invasion. He never told the American peope that our Airborne and Delta forces were fighing Al Qaeda trained militia. Just whatch, or read the book, Black Hawk Down! It was a United Nations fiasco that spilled the blood of our boys when we couldn't get armor. But the IAFF and King Harold Schaitberger don't want to talk about that. The liberals don't want to tell you that Clintons handling of the first attack on the WTC, probably caused the attack on 9/11.
But hey, if you still want to vote liberal, go ahead! Let's put the UN patch back on our troops shoulder, and teach them to speak french.
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Post by MAYTAG on Jun 15, 2004 8:52:48 GMT -5
Amen Ben. People tend to forget that Clinton/ Gore have blood on their hands for how they handled terroist activities and how they tied the hands of our military leaders when it came to Somalia.
As far as the French, they know how to do three things well, make wine, cook and SURRENDER !!!
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Post by FF4Bush on Jun 15, 2004 10:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2004 16:55:49 GMT -5
Ben,
I don't know about, "Liberal" attacks, maybe the word, "STUPID" fits a little better in this sentence.
I always get accused of, "over simplifying" these kind of issues however it would seem to me that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what's really going on here!
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Post by HMWMDSpecialist on Jun 16, 2004 10:35:36 GMT -5
First of all it's not democrat it is DUMBOCRAT ! Secondly and more importantly these people are so out of touch with the real picture it makes me want to vomit. How could anyone in their right mind support Kerry who boasts all the time about his service in Viet Nam BUT what he so readily forgets to boast is that when he came back he turned his BACK on Every VETERAN when he became a ANTI-WAR SUPPORTER.
As far as the war is concerned this is a sore subject in the aspect that it is a voluntary service and no one FORCED these warriors to sign up. It is strictly by CHOICE. It is sad to see loss of american life but there is a detail associated with going to war and it is the fact there are losses in war PERIOD. I am a VETERAN and PROUD of this COUNTRY and what it stands for and support our efforts around the world to maintain peace and freedom and also to combat TERRORISM.
SO for all of you weak minded, follow the crybaby croud, piss and moan about how wrong it was to go to war DEGENERATES....Wake up and see what type of world we live in. It is time for a real change, you people have no idea what others now and before have given up for you so that you can live in this place called the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. The biggest problem in this country is that our Socity has become so soft that we allow these jerkoffs to bad mouth everything anyone else does or that they do not agree with but inturn they have NOT once made themself accountable for their actions
There are some real valid points in this thread. As far as the monies that are supposed to be in place for emergency services it is there. The misinformation that was put out by the IAFF propaganda machine was that Bush refused to sign the bill because he is not in support of organized labor. In reality the President was not willing to sign or suppot the bill but as stated before he did sign it. Due to the fact that the DUMBOCRATS had padded the bill with so much B.S. that the real emergency services money would never reach the local departments due to the fact the monies were burried so deep in the bills process. I am a union Firefighter and also a Federal DOD employee and I worry if there will be a job for me in the future and the answer most likely will be yes. It may not be as a DOD employee but probably as a contract employee but essentially all the same in the end.
Well enough for now but more to come.
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Post by Youngpup on Jun 16, 2004 14:56:12 GMT -5
Hey Ben, First of all, I'm with you on all the NON-Firefighting issues. Let's stick with FIREFIGHTING issues. Here's my response to your reply. 1. FIREACT NEEDS the president's support. It does not have it. He has not financially supported this act since the beginning. I know Sta. 4 got grant money, didn't 18? 2. SAFER WAS signed into law. BUT what good is a law if there's no money to implement it? It's no better than the paper it's written on. It NEEDS his support to fund it. 3. I'm not talking about deferred comp issues, I'm talking about FLSA issues. I just heard that since dispatchers are not exempt, that they will not get overtime after OCT1. They will only get straight time. 4. Sure it was talked about in 1997. Are you still willing to bet your life and liberties on some guy out to make a buck, protecting our armed forces' bases, and our national forests? Or do you want a professional who wants to be there? Ask some of the guys that work at Raven Rock, Letterkenny, Dietrick, and any other federal installation. 5. Federal workers DON"T have the right to collective bargaining. I looked at your closing remarks and there is nothing there regarding this fact. 6. Homeland security funding, which is actually number 7 on my list. Who is going to be there first? The military? I think not. It's going to be YOU and ME. How can someone NOT fund the people that are going to be there first?  I realize being an ex Marine, you have a bias towards the military, but you are also a good firefighter and dispatcher. WE are going to be there first. Let's keep in mind that I'm talking about Firefighting issues. I agree with Bob, Bill, and you about all of the other issues regarding Liberalism, patriotism, Liberty, and all of the other Republican party ideals. I just don't agree with his stand on Firefighting issues. BTW, I also heard that since the 911 center has so much overtime, that they are going to fire all the dispatchers and bring in a private contractor to handle it all. You know, good for private business and all. |
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I realize being an ex Marine, you have a bias towards the military, but you are also a good firefighter and dispatcher. WE are going to be there first.